Huh? Hillary Supporters For McCain Not Really Making Sense Unless.... Well, yes I do find evidence that one of the main leaders of the movement donated to John McCain many years ago.

Some of the Hillary supporters who are going for McCain are just not making sense if you follow their spoken reasonings.

Now I'm just talking about a few I was reading about in an article in Salon.  But the only way their arguments make sense is if they are really McCain supporters who are posing as Hillary supporters trying to drag other Hillary supporters over to the Republicans.

Again. I'm not saying that every Hillary supporter, man or woman is this way but read this by Rebecca Traister at Salon.com report "Angry PUMAs on the prowl in Denver"

The journalist writes that one of the PUMAs  (called 'Carlson' in this excerpt) says:

"Our foremothers marched in the streets so that our voices could be heard. We will not be silenced now."

I asked Carlson why, if she was offended by being called "Sweetie" and invested in the legacy of her foremothers, she would express her disappointment over Obama's nomination by supporting a man who would rob women of their reproductive rights and who does not support equal-pay legislation. "We are really sick and tired of having women's rights held over our heads as a threat," she said. "It's country over party now."

So they are fighting for women's rights, but they are irrelevent because "Country First, Country  First!, Country First!" 

That's just weird. 

You will also find other Limbaughisms scattered through the speech of some of these PUMAs.  Funny, but no matter how they feel Democrats just don't get into Limbaughisms, and I doubt that they would be so heavily into the McCain camp as to be pushing his prime slogan like that.

There is something seriously wrong with the PUMA group, or at least some of them.

Through the wonders of the internet, I've talked to hundreds, maybe thousands of Democrats across the nation.  I've found them to be rational people, sometimes a little excitable, but not completely bonkers.

 I've also talked to the GOP (and related grass root) trolls.  (I'm not talking about all Republicans and certainly not about Independents)  They are irrational, slogan dependent, over the top people who are actually a little scary to talk to.  They really seem like people who might start severe civil disturbances if their guy doesn't win the election in the one race they understand, the presidency.  After all they did take guns to Florida in 2000.  And some GOP aides started a riot that stopped vote counting.   In fact, they seem like the product you'd expect from listening to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and similar talk show hosts

I can only guess that some of the PUMAs have actually been GOP for a long time, not recent converts from the Democrats.  

Well, back to the web to read more:

Hmmm: 

A New York Post writer OpEd writer John P. Avalon notices the same thing in "HILLARY'S DIE-HARDS ":

The PUMAs' online world is a hothouse of intrigue: One site accuses the Obama camp of "fraud, death threats and disgusting intimidation tactics - all perpetrated by the most conscience-free band of cultists in the history of the Democratic Party." They've cultivated a cottage industry of hatred for Obama that brings to mind Rush Limbaugh in the heyday of the Bill Clinton impeachment.

I'll have to intterupt this excerpt right here.  He must have too much to do to participate in politics online in the last decade, because that never stopped.   Now we will return to the regularly scheduled excerpt:

Well, I disagree with the experience part.  Obama seems to have a little more experience, in fact,  than Abraham Lincoln who managed a war pretty well.  But I think that Mr. A. has noticed something important.

Well, back to the web again.

PUMA Ireland lets us know that Obama is just total evil to the Irish.

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Dahlia Lithwick at Slate.com says in "The Madwoman in the Blogosphere ":

These disgruntled women—whether they plan to vote for John McCain, sit out the election, or simply gobble up airtime—are tacitly working toward electing McCain; a candidate who claimed last week at a presidential forum at Saddleback Church that life begins "at the moment of conception" and who voted against legislation ensuring equal pay for women. These women must be well aware that a vote for McCain is a vote to overturn Roe. I assume they don't care. But my real problem with the Hillary Harridans—and the media's relentless focus on them—is that they give new life to Paleozoic stereotypes about irrationally destructive older women.

 ...

...But as Taylor Marsh has pointed out, they've now become victims of the same sexist media machine that turned Clinton herself into a parody of a madwoman. They have fallen prey to an "echo chamber that promises hope, but only delivers deceit by offering claims of something that will not come." They are given unlimited airtime, so long as they continue to threaten to topple the entire edifice of the Democratic Party in pursuit of some ephemeral, unreachable sweet revenge.

and 

Everyone is entitled to speak and be heard, but there is a cost—a tangible cost—for women who insist on speaking in the irrational, angry, and vengeful voice of an outdated literary archetype. Particularly in 2008, when we don't need to invent "mad doubles" in order to topple the patriarchy. We can do that just by showing up.

I should read the Taylor March article above, but since Ms. Lithwick gives us the link, I think I'll let you read that right now and go back to the search engine and see what else I can find out.

From the Star-Trib.com site apparently the online presence of a paper serving Terra Haute and Vigo Counties comes

Stephanie Salter: Of HONOs, PUMAs and other kaleidescopic Democratic projections

TERRE HAUTE — Many years ago Hillary Rodham Clinton likened herself to a national Rorschach test. She’s the enigmatic inkblot on which millions of disparate individuals project their own thoughts, feelings, values and fears.

Those who love her, those who despise her, it makes little difference. Their impassioned take on one adult American female is almost totally about them, not her. Their gushes or gripes, the halo they affix to her head or the diabolical powers they assign to her soul, speak volumes about themselves, not her.

After all, presidential politics, in general, have become as much about our individual projections on the candidates as they are about the reality of the candidates.

The last eight years, for example, were made possible by people who deeply believed that a Yankee blue-blood, Ivy Leaguer and reformed alcohol abuser was really just a clod-kickin’ everyday Joe who’d fit right in over brewskies at the corner pub.

Ha ha.  Very well put, Ms. Salter.

Much more good stuff from Ms. Salter at source, though I think the PUMAs and HONOs resemble Limbaugh heads of either sex than radical feminists of the 60s.

The journalist mentions one woman Darragh Murphy the founder of PUMA PAC and apparently the center of some of the online PUMA emotion.  PUMA PAC is linked to from PUMA Ireland  linked above as are many other anti-Obama ads. 

Now some of the names I have encountered above  that belong to PUMA and other anti Obama voters show people who have put lots of money and work into Hillary's candidacy and therefore apparently they are owed something.  Kudos to them for being strong supporters.  Some have no donation record I can find.

But Darragh Murphy does have a donation on record, to John McCain long before this election cycle. 

Hmmmm.

Now I'm going to go read Taylor Marsh's article.  Funny that Google doesn't seem to know about it.  No that's not so funny, really.  For years now it seems that anti-war sites have been slighted by Google, even libertarian AntiWar.com. 

And if you don't think Google doesn't take instruction from the US government, go look at the Republic of Georgia in Google Map .  It's blank.  Major highways stop right at the border, suddenly disappearing as they try to cross.  There are no indications of where roads are in the nation.  Azerbaijan and Armenia are blank too.  You can get satellite images, but no road maps at Google.

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